Quote from: A on Today at 20:46:32I guess you finally admit that memory width provides not much significant speed advantages

What kind of wild nonsense is this? Of course it does, otherwise the servers would not have installed HBM3e with a 1024-bit bus, soldering it as close as possible to the SoC to reduce latency.

These new modules do not improve frequencies and delays in any way, but they cost 2 times more (minimum). And yet they are rare, which forces you to take only the expensive ones.

Everything else is marketing nonsense for ordinary idiots.

If you want to increase the memory frequency, solder it right next to the SoC on a motherboard of at least 32GB.

Do you want a fast igpu in a mainstream laptop/PC? - solder 16-32GB HBM3+ with a 512/1024 bit bus directly into the SoC chiplet, getting real 250GB/s-1TB/s, and not the shameful current 50-90.

When there is mass production and competition from dozens of suppliers, prices quickly fall significantly. When there are several, a stable oligopoly develops, which can only be violated by force by anti-monopoly authorities if their officials are not corrupt and not idiots who were accepted, contrary to the laws of meritocracy, as is now customary in the US.

Yes, good points. I'm not upset. Just they promised it will be superior, but from presented data from Qualcomm, it will be just almost as good as others.
Price is crucial. Now they are targeting premium where SoC price is not adding much to final price. Lets hope that in near feture there will be nonpremium laptops with the same SoC.

Wow! I would love an updated version of both my old E72 & E7, I would buy both of these out of pure wonderful nostalgia! The E7 has to be my most favourite phone of all times, I refused to upgrade for 4 years with my E7, sadly I lost my E72 far too early!

Social networks, just like in real life, can be useful if you find yourself in an environment that is more educated and at the same time extremely intelligent than you. You are developing.

But in the case of a well-educated person, you end up among the rednecks in 99% of cases, one way or another, and in the end you receive a psychological blow from them, just as in life.

It's all about intrigue and the search for profit, the search for a victim on which you can psychologically unload.

Most of the population is not a critical thinker and does not have their own meaningful, thoughtful and rational point of view based on critical thinking. This part of the population, as in real life, flocks to the herd seeking protection in it, but most often finds dependence.

People are looking for shepherds or victims. And very rarely do they find real support from real altruists with much more life experience than they have. Because your personal problems are of no interest to anyone in the herd, everyone is climbing over other people's heads.

Children under 16 years old have nothing to do on social networks and they need to be legally removed from there. Personally, I would ban the appearance there (in their current crazy form, where the filthy censors of the owners of these networks are formally exempt from liability in the USA under the 230 law, but at the same time trample on the rights to free expression of opinions, thereby violating the 230 law initially for their own private benefit public field) and the population up to approximately 25 years of age. When people in general already have some life experience of independent existence and responsibility.

Also, I took a look at current prices of CAMM2 modules

Crucial 32GB LPCAMM2 LPDDR5x-7500 for $175, $157.5 after 10% off coupon
Crucial 64GB LPCAMM2 LPDDR5x-7500 for $330, $297 after 10% off coupon

And this is directly from Crucial which is MSRP, generally when it hits stores it will be cheaper

E90! As is,newer updates. I would be first to buy!

Quote from: Alexander_ on Today at 16:33:36Dell's CAMM in 2023 in Samsung and only a year later in Lenovo? 😃

P.S. The news is really good. Laptop and PC manufacturers are switching to more efficient memory with easy replacement*

That was CAMM1, which was Dell's proprietary thing, after Dell sent it for standardization, CAMM2 was made which is what is in this laptop

Quote from: NikoB on Today at 16:53:11Now let's move on to things that are much more unpleasant for the consumer:
1. 32GB 5600 module costs $210. Despite the fact that DDR5 5600 costs $97. From the same company Crucial (for example).
2. These modules DO NOT provide any real significant speed advantages.
3. The declared lower consumption with the DO prefix must be proven in practice. In fact, the module consumption will change by 1-5% of the SoC consumption.

What do we actually have? That manufacturers are colluding to switch to a rare and expensive (at retail prices) type of memory under the pretext of "optimization," which does not give anything, but reduces competition by an order of magnitude, because these modules are practically not on sale in any store with rare exceptions and the prices are 2 times higher than now; besides, vile and greedy laptop manufacturers can justify increased prices for their models, where even with DDR4/DDR5 the prices for memory modules were inflated 3-4 times, like the prices for SSDs. Moreover, both memory modules and ssds come with a general warranty as part of the laptop, which is most often 1 year and rarely 2-3 years. Despite the fact that in retail most DDR4/5 memory modules come with a 5-10 year warranty, and 5 summer on SSDs of all leading brands at a much lower price than as part of a laptop.

Do you still need these stupid and super expensive LPCAMM2 modules?

New stuff costing more is nothing new, DDR5 was also more expensive when it came out. You are paying the upfront R&D and equipment cost until it scales

Weren't you all about increasing memory width? I guess you finally admit that memory width provides not much significant speed advantages

The real benefit of this in my opinion is that manufacturers have 0 excuse now to solder LPDDR

This should have happened long ago the world's so sick of Windows crap.  Myself, I stopped allowing Windows 10/11 internet access d/t its data mining behavior.  The world seriously needs another platform to compete with the cartel of Microsoft and Intel.