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I think this laptop is quite interesting based on what was shown at MWC, and I've got even more interested after reading this review, but there's really a single M.2 SSD slot?

I would definitely never buy this Intel laptop.
IT DOES NOT HAVE (Wi-Fi 6E, Wi-Fi 7) incomprehensible
IT DOES NOT HAVE HDMI 2.1
LPDDR5-5600 very low instead of the 6000 of other laptops.
THE HDMI 2.0 outputs are only 4K at 60 Hz, I don't understand why HDMI 2.1 is not included
IPS screen without PWM incomprehensible and they all have LEDs
BAD location of USB ports at the back, annoying.
Impossible to buy this laptop and we still don't know its price.

are you some kind of llm trained on nikob's posts

why even discuss hdmi if there's thunderbolt 4 displayport
hdmi is a mostly a legacy port now, for hardware like projectors or tv output, so you don't have to bring converter if you are e.g. giving lectures

Quote from: lmao on March 03, 2024, 13:15:50are you some kind of llm trained on nikob's posts

JUAN_pcbox is julia_top, Enma45, Elias_40, ukinformatics and many other recently inactive names. And yes, it is literally a bot (like those random Reddit bots for example), but this comment about being trained on NikoB's posts has cracked me up 😂 It is most definitely true as its posts are more and more similar to Niko's.

Again, Huawei is saving where it is not necessary or they simply do not have access to purchase fast LPDDR5 7500 memory. Compare with competitors. Although the difference in real speed is not so great (the efficiency of the 7500 even with the Ultra 9 185H is very low), but the memory latency is simply monstrous 140ns+ is no good, especially for the 5600.

Is there a second M.2 2242 port visible inside, next to the wired Wi-Fi? Why is it not listed by the author in the upgrade options? Although, of course, finding a decent 2242 is almost impossible.

The screen can be called sane, if not for the very low contrast of 1000:1. But again the question is - does Huawei now have access to more contrasting panels in bulk...
Didn't reach 95% AdobeRGB.

The keyboard is no good again - the numpad is completely damaged. It's better if the keys on it are slightly narrowed in width, but the classic numpad and the arrow block shifted downwards are like on Legion. There is room there for 16".

The processor, as expected, behaves better at 60W than competitors at a lower PL1, but this immediately leads to increased noise. Although of course 60W, it's still not 100+ as before. But Zen4+ would clearly be better here. As usual, AMD processors are either not yet produced in mass quantities, or AMD is deliberately holding them back for the sake of sales of old series.

The ports are poorly located - at least one USB-a is needed on the right. You can even have a hidden usb 2.0 port for a mouse transmitter, like in some Lenovo models. One USB-c/TB should be in the back, not on the side.

Again, in such a large case and a lot of empty space at the back and sides, not installing RJ45 at 5Gbps (at least the old 2.5) is pure redneck. This is always necessary for a stable network with minimal pings. And this is against the backdrop of shame with the morally outdated anachronism AX201 soldered 4 (!!!) years ago! Why didn't they solder the cheap BE200?! It retails for $23-25! And here you don't even need the full version, because... there is CNVi 3.0+.

The HDMI 2.0 port, which is morally outdated by 8(!) years, instead of the built-in HDMI 2.1/FRL6 in MeteorLake, is already an INTENTIONAL redneck from Huawei marketers; the engineers would not have done that.

In general, they could also solder DP2.0+/UHBR20. Moreover, they also jammed the second TB4 port...

And tell me, what's stopping them all from adding a second audio port on the right, symmetrically to the first? It's convenient for both right-handers and left-handers and you can quickly build a quad analog system with 4 speakers around it from literally anything.

Looking at this insanity in components and wiring of strange parts, one gets the impression that sanctions are still putting pressure on Huawei and their ability to select the necessary components is rapidly decreasing. Well, or this is pure redneck with cheap components.

In general, another strange Frankenstein from Huawei that is unlikely to be in demand both among gamers (the video card is morally outdated for the latest 2.5k games) and among those who take a universal laptop with maximum upgrade capabilities and a comfortable full-fledged keyboard with a full classic numpad.

Since you installed a cheap, outdated LPDDR5 5600, put it in the slots, and don't solder it.

It all depends on the price for someone to be interested in such a solution, but compared to the Legion lines, it still does not stand up to any criticism. Only if the price is significantly lower. Light weight is useless, without a power supply it still won't work for a long time, and at home silence with heavier radiators and large coolers is more important.

Huawei, like Lenovo, lacks an 18" line for the home - a workhorse without discrete data, but with a bunch of conveniently located latest ports, expansion slots inside (well, something like the Acer Aspire 5 2023 - 2xM.2 2280/2 x RAM slot), high-quality high-contrast IPS (1500:1+) 4k@120Hz 16:10 and a full keyboard with a full classic number pad, with good, elastic tactile feedback.And of course, on the latest chips from AMD.

Huawei could probably compete with the largest brands in the future, but its days are numbered in terms of access to Western components.

Honor is Huawei's "budget" line (like Redmi is Xiaomi's) so looking from that aspect this here is one mighty fine device for correct price. If they price it well this will sell easily because it looks great and yeah it's a plastic body but it also seems very solidly built (creaking is normal for large but thin plastic laptops, that's how plastic works; you get a bit of creaking but also a bit better chassis temperatures). So kudos on that.

The author complains about the touchpad but yeah, that's what you get with budget-oriented devices and cheap plastic touchpads. Glass one would be awesome for sure but without it there's always a pretty solid solution to put a sticker on top of it to improve gliding capabilities by a lot.

Laptop's included charger is comically large in size. Headphone jack is located on easily the dumbest possible location but at least it's not on the same spot on the right side. One USB port on the right would be nice to have but it's fine without anything considering that they are on the rear side. No complaints about anything else, very nice laptop overall. The screen is great, high resolution, fast, no PWM, bright and clearly visible outside so that fact makes me think that this won't be particularly cheap laptop, hm. We'll see.

Quote from: NikoB on March 03, 2024, 15:12:38Again, in such a large case and a lot of empty space at the back and sides, not installing RJ45 at 5Gbps (at least the old 2.5) is pure redneck. This is always necessary for a stable network with minimal pings.

Lol.

Quote from: NikoB on March 03, 2024, 15:12:38And this is against the backdrop of shame with the morally outdated anachronism AX201 soldered 4 (!!!) years ago!

The HDMI 2.0 port, which is morally outdated by 8(!) years, instead of the built-in HDMI 2.1/FRL6 in MeteorLake, is already an INTENTIONAL redneck from Huawei marketers; the engineers would not have done that.

In general, another strange Frankenstein from Huawei that is unlikely to be in demand both among gamers (the video card is morally outdated for the latest 2.5k games) and among those who take a universal laptop with maximum upgrade capabilities and a comfortable full-fledged keyboard with a full classic numpad.

Favourite nonsensical phrase?

Quote from: NikoB on March 03, 2024, 15:12:38(the video card is morally outdated for the latest 2.5k games)

Why do you want to play 2560x1600 on a 3072x1920 screen? What's wrong with 1536x960? I mean it's you who always everywhere claims how 4K screen is absolutely needed in laptops to work in 4K and play in FHD because of integer scaling where you get pixel-perfect and razor-sharp image at 4x lower resolution (but are refusing to show me 960x540 on your 1080p laptop). Let me quote you: "We work in 4K, we play in FHD." There you go, integer scaling is right here.

Quote from: Neenyah on March 03, 2024, 16:15:21What's wrong with 1536x960?

Because it's stupid low resolution.

If you have a 4k screen, you can easily switch it to fhd resolution with ideal (sub)pixel sharpness and with a much smaller interpixel distance visible on the screen, because it is significantly less than on native fhd matrices. And this further improves the visual quality of the picture even in fhd mode on 4k panels.

It's a shame for the entire laptop industry that they don't have, without exception, in 2023-2024 only screens with a high pixel density - at least 220-230ppi. Only starting with such a density of dots, the text looks almost perfect even from 25-35cm. Like printed on a laser printer.

This is exactly what everyone needs. And you can play in fhd mode by switching 4k to this mode, because... they are perfectly compatible at the pixel level. Increasing fps immediately by 3-4 times.

Quote from: NikoB on March 04, 2024, 13:50:26text looks almost perfect even from 25-35cm

'25-35cm' is unhealthy lol
manufacturers consider everyone is a normal person looking at their laptop/desktop screen from around 51 cm away.
around 220ppi is enough

25cm -a default avg distance for phones screens - requires double than that, that's why phones have 450+ ppi

ppi is a misleading metric, proper screen-agnostic metric is 'pixels per degree in field of view', that has to be around 80-90 pixels for EVERY screen to be considered 'retina'

arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/01/dells-new-ultrasharp-monitor-is-a-6k-powerhouse-for-pros/

QuoteDell's U3224KB is a 31.5-inch monitor with a 16:9 aspect ratio and 60 Hz refresh rate. When we saw it at a press event, a company spokesperson said the monitor's form factor is based on power users' preference for 220–260 pixels per inch (ppi) in high-end notebooks. Dell wanted to incorporate that same level of pixel density in a 32-inch-class screen, a popular size among its users.

Why do we need the opinion of an amateur Imao who has not written even 1000 lines of code in his life?

Quote from: NikoB on March 04, 2024, 18:07:32Why do we need the opinion of an amateur Imao who has not written even 1000 lines of code in his life?

exactly, your amateur opinion is not required, because it's as usual you vs. science

Dear NikoB,

That's not a mobile device. High resolutions such as 4k and beyond absolutely murder battery life. For mobile devices, battery life is paramount.

Sincerely,
NikoB's Wife

P.S. I could not read your entire post as it was too long. Forgive me for this. In future, please try to convey your thoughts in a more concise manner. :)

Niko, these guys aren't worth your attention, they all are bad. You are the only one smart here.
Let's go darling, your dinner is ready.

Quote from: NikoB on March 04, 2024, 13:50:26

Quote from: Neenyah on March 03, 2024, 16:15:21What's wrong with 1536x960?

Because it's stupid low resolution.

It is 71.1% of FHD. Good enough for what you get with what you claim to be the case:

Quote from: NikoB on March 04, 2024, 13:50:26If you have a 4k screen, you can easily switch it to fhd resolution with ideal (sub)pixel sharpness and with a much smaller interpixel distance visible on the screen, because it is significantly less than on native fhd matrices. And this further improves the visual quality of the picture even in fhd mode on 4k panels.

This is exactly what everyone needs. And you can play in fhd mode by switching 4k to this mode, because... they are perfectly compatible at the pixel level. Increasing fps immediately by 3-4 times.

1536x960 on a 3072x1920 panel is identical as 1920x1080 on a 3840x2160 - 4 pixels are binned to 1, perfectly round numbers for nice and sharp picture in both cases as you claim. That's theory. The only problem is that they both look equally blurry if you do that in practice.

Quote from: NikoB's Wife on March 04, 2024, 19:14:34High resolutions such as 4k and beyond absolutely murder battery life.

Absolutely not, with the right hardware and drivers, when running on battery power, you can switch to fhd@60Hz mode instead of 4k and dramatically increase battery life at the cost of text clarity. But why suffer so much from PSU?

Quote from: NikoB's Wife on March 04, 2024, 19:14:34I could not read your entire post as it was too long.

I often see this on forums from younger generations. Generations of Twitter and TikTok. They are not able to read a sufficiently light and short text.

I wonder what will happen if they are offered some kind of "scientific" article, a little more complicated?

For example, this one - www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-04024-z
Can you handle it?

Your nickname itself says that you are simply being rude, your intentions are not a search for truth, but a process and gaslighting.

Quote from: NikoB on March 04, 2024, 19:23:27when running on battery power, you can switch to fhd@60Hz mode instead of 4k and dramatically increase battery life at the cost of text clarity

outside of gaming changing screen resolution or refresh rate will provide a very small battery life extension.
because - surprise surprise - screen backlighting is the biggest consumer

Quote from: NikoB on March 04, 2024, 19:23:27Absolutely not, with the right hardware and drivers, when running on battery power, you can switch to fhd@60Hz mode instead of 4k and dramatically increase battery life at the cost of text clarity.

Just switching to a lower-resolution mode most definitely won't help with battery life because the 4K panel is still taking higher amount of power (than a FHD panel) regardless of what data is sent to it. The power savings will not come from the display when you lower the resolution; the saving come from the GPU because it doesn't have to render as many pixels. Switching to lower refresh rate will help though.

Quote from: Neenyah on March 04, 2024, 19:33:45because the 4K panel is still taking higher amount of power (than a FHD panel) regardless of what data is sent to it

doesn't even matter compared to lamp(s)

usually what you see in nbc reviews for 'idle min/med' consumption is basically min/max brightness with wifi/bt off, and it's a fucking lot usually, 5->14 watts for this laptop

The amount of data sent in fhd mode is exactly 4 (four) times less and the load on the RAM and processor, as well as on the gpu, is 4 times less. The panel electronics itself also understands that it needs to turn 4k pixels on and off individually, or they can be grouped in 2x2 operations in fhd mode, which greatly speeds up the exchange of the panel controller with the matrix.

Therefore, everything written above is simply nonsense from a technical point of view. If a 4k panel (and a laptop with it) in fhd@60Hz mode does not sharply reduce consumption (excluding the backlight brightness, which is the same in both fhd and 4k mode for IPS), then this is the direct fault of the careless developers of such a panel - in fhd@60fps mode Nothing except the backlight prevents her from reducing consumption. And the load on the processor/gpu drops exactly 4 times, although consumption decreases non-linearly.

Quote from: NikoB on March 06, 2024, 19:38:20mode does not sharply reduce consumption

lmao yeah it 'sharply reduces' consumption from e.g. 500mW to 400mW, while backlighting still consumes several Watts

Quote from: NikoB on March 06, 2024, 19:38:20And the load on the processor/gpu drops exactly 4 times

lol it's not about the "load" it's about how many cores are powered and what their frequency is. showing desktop@4k is around minimal frequency, load is non-existent, you can't go lower.

Quote from: NikoB on March 06, 2024, 19:38:20above is simply nonsense from a technical point of view

in your alternate reality yeah, maybe

checked gpu power consumption with two screens, mbp 16 + 5k external - 0.02-0.03 watts with two fullscreen browsers lol, if i turn external screen off - still 0.02-0.03w
with 4K video running on built-in screen - 0.11w, if i turn off external screen completely while still playing video - 0.09w
if i crank brightness on built-in screen - +7.00w

so yeah, in this universe nikob is wrong as usual, gpu doesn't really give a f*** about resolution outside of gaming, because it's zero load for anything modern enough. you can save much more just by lowering your brightness.

Quote from: NikoB on March 07, 2024, 14:35:35The idiot, as usual, writes technical nonsense and does not understand it himself, like a typical madman.

HAHAH your typical machine translated butthurt after you've got your a** served you on a dish again lmao

Quote from: lmao on March 06, 2024, 20:05:00mbp 16

Giving stats for a MBP is kinda irrelevant to the conversation tho. Apple has always done their own thing which is to operate completely differently from everyone else on the market.

Could you give an example of something that isn't MBP?

Quote from: hater on March 07, 2024, 16:52:11kinda irrelevant

feel free to provide facts it's 'kinda irrelevant' and there's a difference between gpus first and then we will continue conversation. be more specific why you want me to start pulling my intel machines out of the table.
because right now you want me to prove you something just because of your random assumption gpus are all done 'completely differently'. they are not, apple gpu is just your average gpu.

Quote from: lmao on March 07, 2024, 17:21:06facts

notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Extreme-2019-Laptop-Review-The-second-generation-of-Lenovo-s-premier-multimedia-laptop-has-gotten-worse.453860.0.html

"Battery life is the Achilles' heel of the X1 Extreme Gen 2, at least if you opt for the matte 4K panel. In our normal Wi-Fi test, which we conduct by setting the display to 150 cd/m², our review unit cannot even manage 5 hours before it needs recharging. Worse still, this value dropped to just over 4 hours when we re-ran it at maximum brightness. If battery life is important to you, then you should opt for a 1080p display. We tested the ThinkPad P1 2019 with a 1080p panel, for example, and this achieved almost twice as long runtimes as our X1 Extreme Gen 2 review unit does."

daaaamn
don't you see it's about two different laptops?

Quote from: hater on March 08, 2024, 02:42:40X1 Extreme

Quote from: hater on March 08, 2024, 02:42:40ThinkPad P1 2019

different laptops, different cpus, different gpus, different performance loss in low power mode on battery.
the one with 1080p even has higher idle power consumption and then wins the battery life test.

why am i not surprised by the quality of these 'facts'.
can change nickname but couldn't get rid of low-effort commenting style, yeah?

P1 and X1 Extreme is identical laptop (like T14 and P14s) with ISV certification for the P1 and with some options (before Gen 6) without dGPU. They discontinued X1 Extreme because, well, it's literally identical laptop.

Quote from: Neenyah on March 08, 2024, 05:41:08P1 and X1 Extreme is identical laptop (like T14 and P14s) with ISV certification for the P1 and with some options (before Gen 6) without dGPU. They discontinued X1 Extreme because, well, it's literally identical laptop.

check out configs they were reviewing, it's a paragraph from nbc article

i7-9750H, GeForce GTX 1650 Mobile
www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Extreme-2019-Laptop-Review-The-second-generation-of-Lenovo-s-premier-multimedia-laptop-has-gotten-worse.453860.0.html#toc-6

i7-9850H, Quadro T1000 (Laptop)
www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-P1-2019-Laptop-Review-Slim-workstation-with-stronger-GPU-and-weaker-CPU.431265.0.html

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 05:43:08check out configs they were reviewing, it's a paragraph from nbc article

Ah ok, ok, sorry, my bad. Wasn't paying attention as it was 5:40 am when I replied and I just got up so wasn't properly awake.

Quote from: Neenyah on March 08, 2024, 10:36:05Ah ok, ok, sorry, my bad. Wasn't paying attention as it was 5:40 am when I replied and I just got up so wasn't properly awake.

no problem

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 04:13:22quality

windowscentral.com/dell-xps-15-fhd-vs-4k

                XPS 15 (FHD+)   XPS 15 (UHD+)
Power draw   4.41W       10.4W

youtube.com/watch?v=PjiOlg0kRpo (Watch from 3:25)

reddit.com/r/DellXPS/comments/iiavpt/dell_xps_13_9300_4k_versus_hd_battery_life_results/

youtube.com/watch?v=s6ELgz0F9rQ (Watch from 11:10)

youtube.com/watch?v=a0ZvIOhCxrk (Watch from 6:30)

youtube.com/watch?v=-t6TUTYPuLs (Watch from 9:46)

Quote from: hater on March 08, 2024, 15:09:17XPS 15 (FHD+)   XPS 15 (UHD+)
Power draw   4.41W       10.4W

second is touchscreen, what 'power draw' is is not specified (it is actually just a made up number as shown later), how many lamps and what kind of illumination panels have not specified.

Quote from: hater on March 08, 2024, 15:09:17reddit.com/r/DellXPS/comments/iiavpt/dell_xps_13_9300_4k_versus_hd_battery_life_results/

didn't watch the videos, watched this reddit link. it literally actually proves the opposite of what you think. 4K has x3.54 more pixes than HD+, nikob would say "gpu does 3.54 times more work" but power consumption is only 45% higher. or it would seem so, because we are not done.

let's see these two laptops in actual controlled review, not someone's "opinion"
www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9300-4K-UHD-Laptop-Review-16-10-is-the-New-16-9.464337.0.html#toc-5
www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9300-Core-i7-Laptop-Review-New-Chassis-Design-is-More-Exciting-than-the-New-CPU.458692.0.html#toc-1
same cpu, same gpu, same battery size, 4K has touchscreen
real battery life difference 12%, for screen with x3.54 more pixels and touch suppot
another proof that "4 more pixels = 4 times more work = 4 times more power consumption" isn't a thing

and keep in mind, it's a bad iris plus gpu that is maybe times weaker than modern igpus, for which desktop compositing is a free task nowaday. there's a recent video from Alex Ziskind that shows MBP GPU not giving a single f*** about up to 7 displays (only 4 or which are native), with 8K video running on two of then. It was even crunching AI bit faster with 7 displays, than it was with 1.

intel macbook air 2017 i5 running windows 10 natively, idle
measured in hwinfo
800x600 avg GPU consumption 0.034w, avg gpu frequency 850.2MHz, avg gpu load 0.5%
1440x900 avg GPU consumption 0.034w, avg gpu frequency 870.9MHz, avg gpu load 0.5%

1440x900 has 2.7 times more pixels, 2017 igpu just adds 20Mhz and uses basically the same power for x2.7 more pixels
just another proof of the point that if your igpu is already on or at around its minimum frequencies (and it is always the case if your laptop was made by adequate people) in native res, going down in res almost does not affect energy consumption as your gpu just can't get any slower.

also yeah, how much were you going to same on milliWatts if you can just lower screen brightness and save Watts.

It's funny, didn't the bots start howling with the idea that 4K consumes too much and people don't need it? Have you forgotten already? ))

I always wrote that high ppi is always better for the eyes.

Especially considering that font smoothing has been incorrect in Chrome and other browsers for many years, which is easily proven by screenshots.

Quote from: NikoB on March 08, 2024, 22:06:28It's funny, didn't the bots start howling with the idea that 4K consumes too much and people don't need it? Have you forgotten already? ))

It's funny, didn't you start howling with the idea that 4K panel when switched to FHD will consume much less? Oh wait, it really was you (https://www.notebookchat.com/index.php?topic=191611.msg580730#msg580730), how surprising (not at all). While reality is different than your theory...

Quote from: NikoB on March 08, 2024, 22:06:28I always wrote that high ppi is always better for the eyes.

Yeah, no one didn't know that without you saying that. True messiah for eyes of any living human.

Quote from: NikoB on March 08, 2024, 22:06:28Especially considering that font smoothing has been incorrect in Chrome and other browsers for many years, which is easily proven by screenshots.

Blablabla...

Quote from: Neenyah on March 08, 2024, 22:17:08True messiah for eyes of any living human.

at least now we know who taught steve jobs about retina

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 23:03:40at least now we know who taught steve jobs about retina

True 😁

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 17:24:05idle

are most people using their laptops to idle at a desktop or watch a screensaver? why test at idle? not a realistic scenario imo. better to use battery runtimes of wifi web browsing tests.

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 17:24:05how much were you going to same on milliWatts if you can just lower screen brightness and save Watts.

Depends on machine. On MBPs reducing brightness can gives up to double the battery but on the G14 2024 OLED it only gains +2 hrs (7 hrs on max brightness -> 9 hrs @ 150 nits) according to nbc's wifi web browsing tests.

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 16:40:27proof that "4 more pixels = 4 times more work = 4 times more power consumption" isn't a thing

Nobody said this, but I do not consider a difference of 45% in power consumption to be trivial.

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 16:40:274K has touchscreen

True. 4k non-touch variants are not as common and probably does account for some additional power usage.

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 16:40:27keep in mind, it's a bad iris plus gpu that is maybe times weaker than modern igpus

agreed.

That xps 13 9300 nbc link you gave is an interesting one. Quite a rare exception for 4k and fhd variants to be that close to one another.

Here is one where it is the complete opposite: notebookcheck.net/Power-hungry-display-Dell-XPS-13-4K-UHD-configurations-have-shorter-battery-life-by-several-hours.414493.0.html (Another 4k touch, I know)

Quote from: hater on March 09, 2024, 01:27:40are most people using their laptops to idle at a desktop or watch a screensaver? why test at idle? not a realistic scenario imo. better to use battery runtimes of wifi web browsing tests.

i don't have a 100% standartized load test that i can 100% repeat, so i have to just use idle

Quote from: hater on March 09, 2024, 01:27:40Depends on machine. On MBPs reducing brightness can gives up to double the battery but on the G14 2024 OLED it only gains +2 hrs (7 hrs on max brightness -> 9 hrs @ 150 nits) according to nbc's wifi web browsing tests.

"only 2 hrs" is actually +29%

Quote from: hater on March 09, 2024, 01:27:40Nobody said this

nikob said this, that's why the whole conversation took place:

Quote from: NikoB on March 04, 2024, 19:23:27when running on battery power, you can switch to fhd@60Hz mode instead of 4k and dramatically increase battery life

it didn't pass reality check even with more difficult cases like external monitors and different panels

Quote from: Neenyah on March 08, 2024, 22:17:08

Quote from: NikoB on March 08, 2024, 22:06:28Especially considering that font smoothing has been incorrect in Chrome and other browsers for many years, which is easily proven by screenshots.

Blablabla...

Moron, give me a screenshot of this stupid answer of yours at 400% magnification in Paint, taking a screenshot from Chrome and enlarging it by 400% and posting it on a file hosting service..

I'm sure there won't be a substantive answer, because you're 100% a moron, like Imao.

Turn off TrueType and enjoy your Minecraft-ish text then.

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 11:12:50I'm sure there won't be a substantive answer,

Yes, there won't, because I'm not a retard (unlike you) to use my 1440p laptop or a 4K desktop magnified at 400%. Got one other 1440p monitor but that's exclusively for CS2 (because of 240 Hz) so whatever...

Edit: Hold up, even at 400% it looks clean and nice: https://imgur.com/mx24l3S (https://imgur.com/mx24l3S)

You enjoy your BITMAP image upscaling, lmao, while text is being vector. Funny how you suggest that but you call DLSS to be a scam.

Hahaha, stupid Neenyah doesn't see the incorrect black and white anti-aliasing in his screenshots.

The question is, how many idiots on the planet don't see this, but normal people do too?

I asked this moron to post a screenshot enlarged by 400% in paint, but he didn't do it. But you can easily use his link to copy the image and paste it into paint, enlarge it 4 times and you will immediately see shadows around the letters, which should not exist with the correct black-and-white anti-aliasing method.

Q.E.D. =)

This 400% zoom in paint from fake "400%" from Neenyah - imgur.com/mx24l3S:
imgur.com/a/Sa8EVDg

Here is a screenshot 400% of the correct black and white anti-aliasing, already enlarged by 400% in paint:
imgur.com/a/2RmSTmd

Anyone who doesn't see the difference in how text is rendered and where it's correct is a pure test of a person's imbecility.

About the same, the morons Neenyah and Imao fucked up the entire forum with lies that AMD does not have an autocalibrator in sRGB, although any owner of an AMD video card (or igpu) on screens with 45-46% NTSC and 80%+ NTSC (for example 90%+ DCI-P3/90 %+ AdobeRGB), can easily independently verify that I'm right and be convinced of the total disgrace of NVidia and Intel for more than 16 years, which do not have this autocalibrator and whose hardware owners cannot quickly (albeit roughly, depends on the EDID) provide color rendition in sRGB space. Moreover, in all software, except for the component output in players, you always need to select RGB24/32 output.

This eliminates the need for most AMD card owners to purchase a hardware calibrator (although this is the most accurate calibration, it does not apply to all Windows software, because some of the software knows nothing about color management and thinks that it draws a picture in the sRGB space). So, the sRGB autocalibrator built into all AMD drivers has been doing this work for them for more than 16 years, albeit roughly, but the result is many times better than looking at poisonous and oversaturated colors if the laptop screen or monitor does not have the correct factory sRGB converting profile on-the-fly color space of wide gamut panels in sRGB.

And all this with one regulator in the driver. To the shame of Intel/NVidia, they have not been able to do this for more than 16 years.

I just installed NVidia 2024 drivers and there is 100% no autocalibrator for EDID, which is in AMD 2024 drivers. =)

Shame on NVidia. Shame on Intel!

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 11:45:35Hahaha, stupid Neenyah doesn't see the incorrect black and white anti-aliasing in his screenshots.

Oh yeah? And check this image from this article, you living turd (also keep ignoring image compression by all image hosts), 1600x1200 originally posted: https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/5/3/csm_IMG_2546_47fe8c4124.jpg (https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/5/3/csm_IMG_2546_47fe8c4124.jpg)

But then the same image resized to 400%, so 6400x4800: https://i.imgur.com/kTyZ2Qv.png (https://i.imgur.com/kTyZ2Qv.png) (https://imgur.com/kTyZ2Qv (https://imgur.com/kTyZ2Qv))

OMFG, Huawei is selling incorrect laptop with incorrect antialiasing!!! 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
You really are a fucking retard who can't differentiate vector and bitmap/raster. Plus the fact that you have a 56% sRGB 220 nits 1080p screen 🤡🤡

Edit: The clown just quickly typed a ton of new irrelevant spam, impressive.

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 11:45:35This 400% zoom in paint from fake "400%" from Neenyah - imgur.com/mx24l3S:
imgur.com/a/Sa8EVDg

Here is a screenshot 400% of the correct black and white anti-aliasing, already enlarged by 400% in paint:
imgur.com/a/2RmSTmd

You really love to lie, don't you? Here is my image enlarged 400% in Paint: https://imgur.com/a/q7vKML6 (https://imgur.com/a/q7vKML6)

The guy is even lying in and for screenshots 💀💀💀

Now the s*** you posted: https://imgur.com/a/2RmSTmd (https://imgur.com/a/2RmSTmd)

You call this good when resized back to 100-150%: https://imgur.com/rOjcaKV (https://imgur.com/rOjcaKV) ?? 😂

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 11:45:35Anyone who doesn't see the difference in how text is rendered and where it's correct is a pure test of a person's imbecility.

You need a good ophthalmologists, go see one if they still exist in Russia.

Quote from: Neenyah on March 09, 2024, 11:59:05The clown just quickly typed a ton of new irrelevant spam, impressive.

haven't you noticed it before, when he fucks up he is counting 15 messages and writes enough messages to start a new page, then he writes unrelated stuff in hopes that no one reads the page before. when he doesn't f*** up (too much) he writes on other threads so that thread just goes to the second page in threads list - and this is what he's going to do now after you've spoiled his plan. coming up, million forum threads with nonsense.
not the first time i encounter people like this, absolutely typical schizo.

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 11:57:20can easily independently verify that

can easily independently verify that you don't even know what calibration is and that you are looking at the screen with destroyed color accuracy right now

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 11:57:20This eliminates the need for most AMD card owners to purchase a hardware calibrator

lmao no, idiot, nothing can replace hardware calibrator

and actually we were just discussing your other failure

Quote from: NikoB on March 04, 2024, 19:23:27when running on battery power, you can switch to fhd@60Hz mode instead of 4k and dramatically increase battery life

that haven't passed reality check

Quote from: lmao on March 09, 2024, 12:31:41haven't you noticed it before, when he fucks up he is counting 15 messages and writes enough messages to start a new page, then he writes unrelated stuff in hopes that no one reads the page before. when he doesn't f*** up (too much) he writes on other threads so that thread just goes to the second page in threads list - and this is what he's going to do now after you've spoiled his plan. coming up, million forum threads with nonsense.
not the first time i encounter people like this, absolutely typical schizo.

Yep, nicely noticed and well said, exactly that's the case with him 👍

Quote from: Neenyah on March 09, 2024, 11:59:05Oh yeah? And check this image from this article, you living turd (also keep ignoring image compression by all image hosts), 1600x1200 originally posted:

You moron (as and moron "imao") should have been treated by professional psychiatrists for a long time. I don't understand how such insane people are released from hospitals. Everyone who checked my statement already knows exactly who is crazy here. =)

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 12:58:36Everyone who checked my statement already knows exactly who is crazy here. =)

Finally something smart from you, I agree with that and you just described yourself, heck you are even confused about your own situation:

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 12:58:36I don't understand how such insane people are released from hospitals.

...but hey, that's a good benefit of Russia, no? 😉 You loons can just roam around freely considering small population numbers in relation to its size.

Quote from: NikoB on March 09, 2024, 11:45:35Hahaha, stupid Neenyah doesn't see the incorrect black and white anti-aliasing in his screenshots.

The question is, how many idiots on the planet don't see this, but normal people do too?

I asked this moron to post a screenshot enlarged by 400% in paint, but he didn't do it. But you can easily use his link to copy the image and paste it into paint, enlarge it 4 times and you will immediately see shadows around the letters, which should not exist with the correct black-and-white anti-aliasing method.

Q.E.D. =)

This 400% zoom in paint from fake "400%" from Neenyah - imgur.com/mx24l3S:
imgur.com/a/Sa8EVDg

Here is a screenshot 400% of the correct black and white anti-aliasing, already enlarged by 400% in paint:
imgur.com/a/2RmSTmd

Anyone who doesn't see the difference in how text is rendered and where it's correct is a pure test of a person's imbecility.

www.theverge.com/2024/3/25/24111273/microsoft-google-chrome-text-rendering-improvements

These M$ are doing everything wrong again. It is necessary not only to remove the moronic Skia rendering (which I had previously disabled by tuning FF up to version 69), but also to generally disable the incorrect greyscale anti-aliasing, restoring the only correct one - just like in XP WITHOUT using the lousy color anti-aliasing with CleatType!

Look what's happening - the morons (or rather villains) at Google have ruined the rendering in Chrome. In M$, even on the old engine, they also ruined everything. Even the Mozilla developers messed up text rendering in FF, starting with version 69, but they at least had the conscience to leave a key in the registry that allows you to disable cloudy anti-aliasing altogether, which I have been using for years in FF, reading texts only in it. And now, as an achievement, they disable the previously non disabled Skia rendering in favor of other methods! But they are still not going to restore the correct grayscale anti-aliasing from XP!

I can already see how, with fanfare and fiery speeches, the management of M$ will return to Chromium for W12 the old grayscale rendering, as in XP, the only true one for human vision, and will call this return SUPER progress! Great achievement...

Quote from: NikoB on March 25, 2024, 15:20:38This 400% zoom in paint from fake "400%" from Neenyah - imgur.com/mx24l3S:
imgur.com/a/Sa8EVDg

Here is a screenshot 400% of the correct black and white anti-aliasing, already enlarged by 400% in paint:
imgur.com/a/2RmSTmd

imgur.com/a/Sa8EVDg seems to look better though than imgur.com/a/2RmSTmd, no?