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LOL, "security"...with mandatory cameras.

Uuh... How about they let users decide what "the best compromise" is for them?
Performance will be lowered because of the "awesome" new security chip, so they don't want it to run on older machines where it will be noticeable? Battery life will be lowered too? I thought the chip is only used rarely to do cryptography or something? How does that eat noticeable amounts of battery?

Microsoft chief-of-anything be like, "LOL, I don't even use this crap... I work on a Mac!"
Seriously, though. Their whole Windows design team is 5 dudes and 2 chicks working on iMac's, watch the 2018 "acrylic" promo they did.
(The rest are goblins they hire from overseas)

This is still weird, as far as I know both Zen and Zen+ don't support  Mode Based Execution Control (MBEC), which is used by the Hypervisor-protected code integrity (HVCI), yet the Zen+ made it to the list, while the original Zen has been omitted. (Both are still compatible with HVCI, but they use emeulation for the missing feature and get a bigger performance impact).

UBUNTU WITH LIBRE OFFICE!

Love how they think they are the best doing stuff, so arrogant. Windows 11 is crap, forced TPM, forced obsolescence, forced encription of non critical data. What a mess.

Thanks for the BS.. I will finally switch to Linux.. Phucque Microsoft

I have zero problem never upgrading to windows 11.  Me and my 7700k will be happy on windows 10 until I decide to upgrade the pc in a few years.

IMHO:

Linux or M$ with LibreOffice suite... no longer is there a compelling commercial 'need to have...' Microsoft. 

This idiocy: intolerable Micro$oft denial of slightly older (i7 4790K for example) hardware policy, like the Apple and Compaq, old debate of architecture Open architecture versus Closed architecture will not pass...

It is a betrayal of users and potential upgrade customers. Obviously it will be moderated by reverse engineering force of course.

Always, it should be choice of users where to install, not dictat.

M$ will face such bad PR shitshow.  Home goal 'footie' parlance. 

So M$ ought allow with security caveats of 'user beware,' reduced promise and lower service guarentee etc.. but allow older CPUs and motherboards to install. 

Simply, or the determinded will circumvent denial by install routine of new OS, it will be hacked and overcome obviously 😉

LOL. I'm sure all of the years old security bugs are being addressed as we ponder the new requirements

Linux is faster a far more secure as an OS. Speed testing on win10 originally showed comparable speeds, but now I can run Linux Mint off a pen drive faster than win10.

What stops uptake of linux is (i) many managers are computer illiterate and probably don't even know linux exists (ii) Excel

Libre office is rubbish compared to Excel. If we had a good virtualization of Excel, with useable macros/VBA microsoft would become obsolete as an operating system and would simply be what it should always have been, a software producer of MS office.

Major security overhaul! Best thing happened to Windows for the past 20 years.

Microsoft is lying to you. Most of the features they claim are limited or unsupported on older generation CPU's are in fact fully supported by as low as 6th generation CPUs. I challenge anyone from Microsoft to point out a 'feature' that is required by the hardware that isn't supported by 6th generation Intel CPUs which is mandatory for their OS to function with all its security intact.

This is about money. Microsoft make money on new computer sales since they often ship Windows with it. Let's not pretend otherwise.

It is just total rubbish. Consumers don't need this kind of VIP-security. They will use this opportunity to enforce Secure Boot and with it also Modern Standby so you can't even enable S3 any more on notebooks that misbehave with Modern Standby. Notebookcheck should take a tougher stance against compulsory Secure Boot and Modern Standby.

I hate MS as much as, if not more than, most, but I have to disagree about the comments regarding LibreOffice vs Office, and agree with @Erik P, only not just with Calc vs Excel. I've used Word and Excel extensively, and do much more with them, especially Excel, than most, and I've also used LibreOffice (Writer and Calc) a good bit.

I still use Office 2007 because it does everything I need and I'm not going to buy a newer version for no reason, and am certainly not going to pay a subscription And (often basic) things that Office can do, and has been able to do for ~15+ years, typically quite easily, are either very difficult or outright impossible with LibreOffice, even so many years later. LibreOffice also seems somewhat less resilient when it comes to potential file corruption, though it's hard to say. I have no issue learning how to do things differently in it, seeing as it's a different program, but when I can't figure out how to do something that should be fairly easy and straightforward, and is in Office, and look it up online only to find it's a convoluted process or can't even be done, despite the software being a decade-and-a-half newer, that's a problem. And this has happened multiple times, attempting multiple things, with both Writer and Calc (a stupid name, too, btw). Every time I try using them, it lasts a short while until I find I need to go back to Word/Excel to do what I need. And if I have to do that, then there's really no point in even using LibreOffice at all.

Another issue I have with LibreOffice is that it is significantly slower to start up and open files, and that's even with its special service that's always running to supposedly help speed it up. The last time I gave up using it, and uninstalled it, was a month or two ago when I opened a file in LibreOffice, then after several seconds of nothing happening, I opened it in Office, and it opened in Office a few seconds later, then another few or several seconds later it finally opened in LibreOffice.

I typically avoid MS software and products as much as possible, and use third-party software to replace their crap whenever I can, but Office, while far from perfect, is leaps and bounds, and literally a couple decades, ahead of LibreOffice.

It's a similar situation as with PhotoShop vs GIMP. I also hate Adobe, but having very little experience with either, I find PhotoShop not only more intuitive, but easier to find guidance online and, when using an online guide to figure out how to do something, doing it in PhotoShop is almost always easier, with fewer steps, and makes more sense. GIMP is free, so I use it, but it's a major PITA. LibreOffice is the same way IME.

IDK what Microsoft is thinking to be honest. Here I am with a 5th gen Intel processor ( i7-5500U) and a laptop from 2014-2015 (Asus UX303LB), having tpm 2.0, and secure boot enabled,  running the dev channel windows 11 beta. There have been no slowdowns in apps, no crashes, NOTHING. Windows 11 works as well as windows 10 if not better. I think that Microsoft wants to push out new units for people to buy, throwing out laptops such as mine, which are more than capable to run this OS. Microsoft claims this CPU restriction is for 'security. Like, boi, if I don't feel safe using my laptop, Ill get an antivirus if push comes to shove. They ought to stop feeding this bs. I've seen fellas on youtube installing windows 11 on 2007 hp smartbooks (or whatever they are called) by changing 2 or 3 files in the Windows 11 ISO file.

Quote from: Dan Fil on July 06, 2021, 05:37:06
IDK what Microsoft is thinking to be honest. Here I am with a 5th gen Intel processor ( i7-5500U) and a laptop from 2014-2015 (Asus UX303LB), having tpm 2.0, and secure boot enabled,  running the dev channel windows 11 beta. There have been no slowdowns in apps, no crashes, NOTHING.

While I have little doubt that at least part of it is to get more people to buy new computers, and therefore pay for Windows again, I suspect part of it is based on definite vs possible, i.e. they can definitely say that particular hardware meets the requirements, whereas other/older components possibly meet it, but there's no guarantee. So instead of making it more complicated, which would be the correct way, they simplify it and just make a blanket statement regarding minimum requirements. In other words, there are probably many computers with 5th-gen Intel CPUs without TPM 2.0, and so instead of them just saying that can meet the requirement as long as it has it, and possibly other things, they just chose to say only CPUs that will definitely have TPM 2.0 are compatible.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and they're just a complete clusterf***. That seems equally plausible. After all, it is MS, and they've managed to screw up pretty much every aspect of this release so far, unshockingly.

Got to watch this space. A new motivation for brainwashing has sprung up in action. There's an entire industry just waiting to be made. Like rotating the crops in a field, if it's not internet security or privacy issues, it's computer hardware.

Quote from: Dan Fil on July 06, 2021, 05:37:06
IDK what Microsoft is thinking to be honest.

That's a lot of faith that you put in their products if you can't decide what they are thinking, let alone see what their products are actually made of.

That is f'd up... I have used desktops as my primary work system for over 20 years... Never have my mic/camera connected unless i need it... So i not need window hello... As for data i always keep an offline backup of my "sensitive/important data"... And i not use bitlocker, honestly. I not a criminal so why would i need my corn "files" encrypted? Hell if they want to watch them go ahead big brother....

In general sounds like a crock of hot steamy bs.....

Microsoft needs to provide more foundation as to how this is important... Live demo of perhaps it stopping some Russian hacker doing randsomware........

So i not have the newest pc... Is an HP Z230. Exon e3-1241v3, 32gb ram, 240ssd, 480ssd,2x500gb hdd... i payed 750$ for it!

Works great, even if it is 8 years old, and plan to keep it for another 3 years, hardware permitting (aka so long as it dont die first) after that perhaps a Z series workstation. Hell if that is even supported by m$...

P.s... i remember back in the day paying 50usd just to join the beta program of windows 2000 professional...hahaha... Was even sent "customer loyalty thank you card! Those were the days... But different problems, issues with scsi port compatability, printers, sound cards.... Oh poo.... Still these problems.... Hahahahaha :p God i love these jokes.... Keeps us young and cursing ms...

Final joke... Anyone remember Windows NT? Windows: Neanderthal
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