In the year 2020, Lenovo is changing the naming of its mainstream ThinkPad laptop series. The three new T series ThinkPads that follow the new system are called ThinkPad T14, ThinkPad T14s and ThinkPad T15. All of them feature Intel Comet Lake CPUs and ThinkPad T14 & T14s will also be available with AMD Ryzen Pro 4000.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T14-T14s-T15-with-AMD-Ryzen-Pro-4000-and-Intel-Comet-Lake-announced.454393.0.html
Does that look like Thunderbolt on an AMD system ? Why is no one surprised ? Is it a typo ?
Why would they bundle the better panel with the slower CPU/GPU setup? Makes no practical sense.
No Ethernet on T14 AMD??
Still with those ridiculous bezels I see.
Quote from: Andre54 on February 24, 2020, 16:02:51
No Ethernet on T14 AMD??
I don't think that is a mistake - the AMD is listed with one more USB-A port :(
They have to gimp the AMD version somehow. I am also somewhat suspicious of the lack of into on the RAM, and the "DDR4
x" indication. My guess (and it's horrible): soldered RAM only for the AMD version.
Also, for the other fellow, the bezels are fine (IMO). It's 16:9 that I have a problem with.
cant wait for "amd vs intel" test from notebookcheck :)
Quote from: J on February 24, 2020, 15:51:32
Does that look like Thunderbolt on an AMD system ? Why is no one surprised ? Is it a typo ?
you can buy a thunderbolt controller for your amd system too. not a problem.
as usual the best panels are only for shitty intel solutions, hope that others brands put the 4k on the amd solutions...
Quote from: J on February 24, 2020, 15:51:32
Does that look like Thunderbolt on an AMD system ? Why is no one surprised ? Is it a typo ?
That must be a mistake. Thuderbolt is the intel's proprietary technology supported only bz their processors.
T14 AMD without gigabit ethernet port? Useless junk !
Lenovo again fucked up with AMD.
Dear Lenovo, where did you forget gigabit ethernet? WTF? I will never buy such crap.
Poor AMD, Intel is corrupting everybody to make crappy AMD Ryzen laptops. First, It was awesome Asus G14 without ethernet and its thinkpad T14.
f*** all these hypocrytes.
No Ethernet on the AMD T14? What a joke. First you completely solder all of the ram, then you take away Ethernet on one of the models. I was considering buying one of these, but if it's at the expense of Ethernet, count me out
Quote from: Thinkpad Fan on February 24, 2020, 20:56:01
No Ethernet on the AMD T14? What a joke. First you completely solder all of the ram, then you take away Ethernet on one of the models.
intel T14s has no ethernet too. but seemingly people don't care about it.
Quote from: william blake on February 25, 2020, 00:53:01
Quote from: Thinkpad Fan on February 24, 2020, 20:56:01
No Ethernet on the AMD T14? What a joke. First you completely solder all of the ram, then you take away Ethernet on one of the models.
intel T14s has no ethernet too. but seemingly people don't care about it.
Shhhhhhh. Quiet... Let the fanboys express their daily grievance.
Quote from: m53 on February 25, 2020, 00:58:12
Quote from: william blake on February 25, 2020, 00:53:01
Quote from: Thinkpad Fan on February 24, 2020, 20:56:01
No Ethernet on the AMD T14? What a joke. First you completely solder all of the ram, then you take away Ethernet on one of the models.
intel T14s has no ethernet too. but seemingly people don't care about it.
Shhhhhhh. Quiet... Let the fanboys express their daily grievance.
To be fair, the T490s didn't have Ethernet. I don't think people were expecting the T14s to suddenly re-introduce it, especially with the slow reduction of feature
Those specs look pretty good, Especially the 32gb ram.
As for those complaining about no Ethernet, it isn't a big deal. There is like what 6 USB ports? I have a USB3 to Ethernet adapter I can use if I need ethernet. I'd rather take USB ports over an Ethernet port.
@nonameT1400 - Thunderbolt 3 was opened up for everyone. Plus, its not like this is the 1st AMD motherboard with thunderbolt.
I mentioned before that thunderbolt on AMD laptops are highly likely, but no one believed me : /
Quote from: A on February 25, 2020, 02:17:00
As for those complaining about no Ethernet, it isn't a big deal. There is like what 6 USB ports? I have a USB3 to Ethernet adapter I can use if I need ethernet.
You're missing the point of having built-in ethernet in the first place: convenience. I'd much rather spend my money on a Dell product than have to deal with maintaining a dongle and a ThinkPad.
Lenovo, stop thinking of AMD as your budget option, times have changed, you need to. TIme to realise AMD also has the top Performance option with better thermals. Get with it and offer us some high end AMD options. Not purchasing another Yoga top model until its AMD with 4k quality screen and Nvidia graphics. .
16:9 video players again? No, thanks.
Quote from: Thinkpad Fan on February 25, 2020, 01:47:11
Quote from: m53 on February 25, 2020, 00:58:12
Quote from: william blake on February 25, 2020, 00:53:01
Quote from: Thinkpad Fan on February 24, 2020, 20:56:01
No Ethernet on the AMD T14? What a joke. First you completely solder all of the ram, then you take away Ethernet on one of the models.
intel T14s has no ethernet too. but seemingly people don't care about it.
Shhhhhhh. Quiet... Let the fanboys express their daily grievance.
To be fair, the T490s didn't have Ethernet. I don't think people were expecting the T14s to suddenly re-introduce it, especially with the slow reduction of feature
s suffix models are ultra mobile versions with several tradeofs between size, weight, I/O ports and functions. Versions without s suffixes should be full power flagships of T serries not some fucking fashion ultrabook. A lot of jobs requeire dedicated ethernet. Using ethernet over USB is not a feature but a HUGE design flaw.
Seriously, what Lenovo thinks it is the main difference between thinkpads and Ideadpads?
New thinkpads are becoming more and more a military grade golden bricks. I dont need golden brick for my job, I need enterprice grade laptop with all needed I/O ports, good CPU, good termal, good screen.
I don't buy laptop that can survive a fire but cannot connect to the Internet with solid wire.
Quotewith the new AMD Ryzen Pro 4000 CPUs
However, the attached pdfs say,
Quote
Up to 3rd generation AMD Ryzen R7 PRO professors
Seems good to me. I haven't needed wired internet in at least a decade at this point. It's nice to finally remove it.
What sort of effect on the battery life can I expect with the HD screen?
When can I buy one?
@Thinkpad Fan - I am not missing anything. If we want to talk about convenience, more USB ports are more convenient than an Ethernet port. The thing about ethernet is that you don't use it on the go, you use it sitting down. In those scenarios, bringing out an adapter is not an issue.
Technically speaking, I rarely even use my Ethernet to USB adapter either. I only use it if I wish to stream 4k video or something. Otherwise, I prefer to use a tiny travel router. I plug it into the Ethernet, and now I have internet on my laptop, mobile phone and all my other devices.
With the advent of USB4 where more things are moving to USB from charging to HDMI and etc, I'd prefer more USB ports any day.
Quote from: A on February 25, 2020, 22:10:30
The thing about ethernet is that you don't use it on the go, you use it sitting down. In those scenarios, bringing out an adapter is not an issue.
You see, this is the issue. You're telling me how I use my device when I know for a fact that's wrong. The one time I forget to bring my ethernet adapter is gonna be the one time I forget or lose it, so no it's not an adequate solution. Plus, I use ethernet regularly in a lot of scenarios, testing switches, diagnosing wifi routers and even fixing my PS4 when it randomly dies on me. Bridging wifi to ethernet is great but it rarely works properly with these adapters.
If you don't use something, don't ruin it for the rest of us. Sure, another USB port is great, but if adapters are so good, just plug in a hub into the TB3 port and do that. If you don't think that's practical, you see where I'm coming from. Same exact problem, except you care about that.
Quote from: Georgiy on February 25, 2020, 13:41:28
with the new AMD Ryzen Pro 4000 CPUs
However, the attached pdfs say,
Up to 3rd generation AMD Ryzen R7 PRO professors
2000 first gen
3000 second
4000 third
@Thinkpad Fan - I'm not telling you how to use it, simply pointing out most common usages.
As for losing your Ethernet adapter, how about just buy spares? I keep one in my laptop bag and have some in the house. So I would never lose it if I need it because I don't take it out.
As for the travel router, I've used it to debug another router, it worked fine. Most travel routers have multiple configurations, so I can imagine people having issues, especially if the manufacturer poorly configures the default. But once its configured, its pretty much plug and play.
As for your suggestion of using thunderbolt dock. Here is the difference, again, when you are using Ethernet, you are tethered to something via Ethernet. But the same doesn't apply to USB. And USB is more versatile too. For the size of an ethernet port, you can fit 2 USB-C connectors. And 999/1000 would pick the USB. I am sorry if you are the 1/1000. But you can't blame manufacturers for making decisions which would bring in the most sales.
Lenovo has really gutted the thinkpad line of everything that make them the go-to choice... now quite literally the only thing they have left going for them is the keyboard+trackpoint... and the recent thinkbooks imply they would like to get rid of those features too. What a waste. Thats two generations now that aren't even on my radar as valid choices anymore when I didn't use to even consider anything else.
Quote from: A on February 26, 2020, 01:24:27
As for losing your Ethernet adapter, how about just buy spares? I keep one in my laptop bag and have some in the house. So I would never lose it if I need it because I don't take it out.
As for the travel router, I've used it to debug another router, it worked fine. Most travel routers have multiple configurations, so I can imagine people having issues, especially if the manufacturer poorly configures the default. But once its configured, its pretty much plug and play.
As for your suggestion of using thunderbolt dock. Here is the difference, again, when you are using Ethernet, you are tethered to something via Ethernet. But the same doesn't apply to USB. And USB is more versatile too. For the size of an ethernet port, you can fit 2 USB-C connectors. And 999/1000 would pick the USB. I am sorry if you are the 1/1000. But you can't blame manufacturers for making decisions which would bring in the most sales.
- Buying spares? Really? Spend more money instead of buying something else that's actually competent? lol, no way dude. I'd rather get a cheaper machine with all the features I need than compromise on an expensive T14.
- I'm not talking about travel routers, I'm talking about network hardware in general. I'm not sure what magic network hardware your using that works 100% of the time, but I've never had such luck.
- Removing a useful port from the chassis isn't generating any sales, I'll tell you that much. Given that the AMD model is cheaper at base model, if anything they're just screwing networking techs into buying the Intel model. NOBODY who seriously uses rj45 for work wants to deal with the bullshit of those dongles, and I mean nobody. If lenovo wanted more sales by slapping more ports on the device, they'd just add them. However, most of their ThinkPad sales are pretty much enterprise space (apparently) so it's not like consumer opinions matter very much to them. They're just glad to screw over business customers and force them to buy their dongles and such. (IIRC the T14 amd version still has the weird docking connector that effectively serves as a proprietary eth port)
Damn, no RJ45 :( I'm very dissapointed but we are buy it anyway because we want to get rid of Intel at our company.
To: The guy supporting removal of RJ45 port
You dont know what you are talking about. People who need that port, need it, period.
Dongles etc are not 100% reliable and 100% compatible EVER.
WIFI is not as reliable as ethernet.
Dongle means extra cost, low performance, extra hassle for setting it up, possibility of losing it.
People who work in IT dont have time to fiddle around with stuff which should be working out of the box. Ethernet is an industry standard port for serious work.
Extra steps, extra hardware, extra software adds complexity, incompatibilities, bugs etc.
Just a simple personal example: Whenever I install Linux on my laptop it never detects its wifi, I always have to attach it to my router via RJ45 and download the wifi drivers, follow the steps as per google, and then get it to work. See in my case if Linux also does not recognize the dongle, I am screwed.
If you dont need something, doesnt mean others also dont need it. I dont need a 4x4 truck, doesnt mean nobody needs it.
Quote from: HI on February 27, 2020, 16:52:05
To: The guy supporting removal of RJ45 port
You dont know what you are talking about. People who need that port, need it, period.
Dongles etc are not 100% reliable and 100% compatible EVER.
WIFI is not as reliable as ethernet.
Dongle means extra cost, low performance, extra hassle for setting it up, possibility of losing it.
People who work in IT dont have time to fiddle around with stuff which should be working out of the box. Ethernet is an industry standard port for serious work.
Extra steps, extra hardware, extra software adds complexity, incompatibilities, bugs etc.
Just a simple personal example: Whenever I install Linux on my laptop it never detects its wifi, I always have to attach it to my router via RJ45 and download the wifi drivers, follow the steps as per google, and then get it to work. See in my case if Linux also does not recognize the dongle, I am screwed.
If you dont need something, doesnt mean others also dont need it. I dont need a 4x4 truck, doesnt mean nobody needs it.
Totaly agree. Ethernet port is enterprice standard. It's removement is reason to categorize device as non enterprice crap for plebs. And such device doesn't have right to cost costs like thinkpads.
Quote from: Georgiy on February 25, 2020, 13:41:28
Quotewith the new AMD Ryzen Pro 4000 CPUs
However, the attached pdfs say,
Quote
Up to 3rd generation AMD Ryzen R7 PRO professors
It's always good to have 3rd generation professor by hand.
Quote from: HI on February 27, 2020, 16:52:05Dongles etc are not 100% reliable and 100% compatible EVER
That this is not entirely true. In fact, all current Lenovo ThinkPads have Ethernet, if they have a full size RJ45 port or not. All of them have an inbuilt Ethernet chipset and a proprietary mini-Ethernet adapter like this one (https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/cables-and-adapters/adapters/CABLE-BO-Ethernet-Extension-Adapter-2/p/4X90Q84427). The advantage of this dongle is that it puts out native Ethernet, so it is as reliable & compatible as it can be. ;)
When it comes to the discussion about the full-size RJ45 port, I think the need for this port is slowly disappearing, at least in the mainstream market. It used to be the case that Wi-Fi was rarer and much worse in quality. These days, Wi-Fi is much more proliferated and Wi-Fi AC/AX have really improved the speed and quality.
There are still users like network engineers and admins that will need Ethernet every day, but I do think that group is a small minority. Probably, Lenovo decided that putting the native mini-Ethernet port on is an acceptable compromise for the Ultrabook-type systems.
Regarding the T14 with AMD CPUs: The pictures that Lenovo has given us clearly show a full-size RJ45 port on this model. I have asked Lenovo for clarification if the spec-sheet is incomplete or if the pictures are wrong. :)
Ditch that FHD screen!
Would be nice to see AMD on X1 Carbon version
Quote from: Benjamin Herzig on February 27, 2020, 22:40:48
Quote from: HI on February 27, 2020, 16:52:05Dongles etc are not 100% reliable and 100% compatible EVER
That this is not entirely true. In fact, all current Lenovo ThinkPads have Ethernet, if they have a full size RJ45 port or not. All of them have an inbuilt Ethernet chipset and a proprietary mini-Ethernet adapter like this one. The advantage of this dongle is that it puts out native Ethernet, so it is as reliable & compatible as it can be. ;)
When it comes to the discussion about the full-size RJ45 port, I think the need for this port is slowly disappearing, at least in the mainstream market. It used to be the case that Wi-Fi was rarer and much worse in quality. These days, Wi-Fi is much more proliferated and Wi-Fi AC/AX have really improved the speed and quality.
There are still users like network engineers and admins that will need Ethernet every day, but I do think that group is a small minority. Probably, Lenovo decided that putting the native mini-Ethernet port on is an acceptable compromise for the Ultrabook-type systems.
Regarding the T14 with AMD CPUs: The pictures that Lenovo has given us clearly show a full-size RJ45 port on this model. I have asked Lenovo for clarification if the spec-sheet is incomplete or if the pictures are wrong. :)
For one, I'm very glad that Lenovo has decided to actually keep RJ45 in these
business notebooks. There's no justification to remove it from their T-series machines that aren't intended to be ultrabooks (those are X1 for a reason).
Also, spending $30+tax+shipping on a separate dongle just to use Ethernet is stupid, especially when you now have another wear item to deal with (a cable, the weird proprietary ethernet connector, etc). RJ45 is such a KISS-following connector that it doesn't really wear out. I have no clue how durable this $30 cashgrab connector is, but I've got a feeling it's not terribly great.
There's still plenty of reasons for full size ethernet, and there's little reason for professionals to compromise with Lenovo's garbage solution when there's numerous companies selling business-grade hardware with dedicated Ethernet instead of trying to appeal to consumers across their entire lineup.
So yeah. I'm glad Lenovo kept it. I can't say they will for much longer, though.
... And again, a plethora of FHD displays for AMD, and either FHD or 4K for Intel. How hard is is to make an AMD Thinkpad with 14" WQHD display?!
I don't understand for whom all manufacturers rivet this garbage with sloppy "IPS" with the infamous 45% NTSC and 250 nit?
While smartphones for the poor for $ 80 have 72% + NTSC much better viewing angles and brightness under 500 nits.
Found this Datasheet, and AMD version still doesn't have TB3 ??
nbreview.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ThinkPad-T14s-AMD-Datasheet.pdf
Why no Ryzen 4000 on the T15? I was looking to buy one.
Quote from: Alessandro Pino on April 06, 2020, 08:20:46
Why no Ryzen 4000 on the T15? I was looking to buy one.
The T15 AMD Ryzen version would be nice, but I am afraid their keyboard layout might be a dealbreaker as well. They have so much space to the point of there being extra space under the number pad. But those arrow keys look smallish and I am not sure why they stuck page up and page down there. That is like asking someone to misclick instead of left or right those keys.
Soldered ram... AVOID.
Quote from: okidoki on May 16, 2020, 11:41:53
Soldered ram... AVOID.
If its LPDDR4x I would gladly take soldered ram for the increased bandwidth and longer battery life.