A potential graphics card customer has been confronted by a provocative comment from a cashier that has summed up the year perfectly for gamers who have tried desperately to get hold of a high-end Nvidia GeForce RTX 30 series card at anything remotely close to launch price. The person was checking out RTX 3080 Ti and RTX 3090 boards at the time.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unaffordable-GeForce-RTX-3080-Ti-and-RTX-3090-cards-become-the-new-norm-as-shopper-gets-brutally-shut-out-by-cashier.589358.0.html
I made 3 orders on Ebay for the cards.
None ever came then had to prove to Ebay i bought it and didn't get it.
They fought it and then I called back and got the previous lady fired.
Got a refund for all 3 shipments from Ebay.
Then i ordered from Amazon.
Waited weeks.
Notice it was delivered but not.
Opened a case with Amazon and showed my house cameras on the date of supposed delivery. Front Door!
I give up on these cards.
I even ordered a 1k miner ready for 8 of them.
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There is a very simple solution. We, as consumers need to stop paying these ridiculous prices. If literally no-one bought these cards then retailers would be forced to reduce prices. Scalping would be pointless. Simple supply and demand. It does not need to be the 'New normal' we just need to refuse to pay it.
Quote from: Scott Herman on December 31, 2021, 09:20:45
I made 3 orders on Ebay for the cards.
None ever came then had to prove to Ebay i bought it and didn't get it.
They fought it and then I called back and got the previous lady fired.
Got a refund for all 3 shipments from Ebay.
Then i ordered from Amazon.
Waited weeks.
Notice it was delivered but not.
Opened a case with Amazon and showed my house cameras on the date of supposed delivery. Front Door!
I give up on these cards.
I even ordered a 1k miner ready for 8 of them.
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YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
I got my Asus RTX 3080ti Stryx in September for $2500 on Amazon. The transaction was smooth and the card arrived the next day.
Amazon makes it almost too easy!
Quote from: MrNobody on December 31, 2021, 11:29:38
Quote from: Scott Herman on December 31, 2021, 09:20:45
I made 3 orders on Ebay for the cards.
None ever came then had to prove to Ebay i bought it and didn't get it.
They fought it and then I called back and got the previous lady fired.
Got a refund for all 3 shipments from Ebay.
Then i ordered from Amazon.
Waited weeks.
Notice it was delivered but not.
Opened a case with Amazon and showed my house cameras on the date of supposed delivery. Front Door!
I give up on these cards.
I even ordered a 1k miner ready for 8 of them.
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YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
No, Crypto speculation and the ability to print money with GPUs is the problem. If he doesn't do it, someone else will. He is just making the best of a bad situation.
I'm just really sad you can't lot these in california since they doubled and tripled in price (now they're over $950) so unfair!!! Lol
Crypto is a great hedge against the collapsing fiat currencies. Anti-fiat currencies like Bitcoin will continue to drive GPU prices upward, as long as the economy is tanking and people need a way to transfer and secure wealth outside of the fiat system.
I'm just really sad you can't loot these in california since they doubled and tripled in price (now they're over $950) so unfair!!! Lol
Just gonna wait a decade , still happy with my gtx 1070 that i bought for $300.
maybe next year a 2060 for the same price
Or the cashier was simply commenting about the ridiculous price gouging. That makes more sense than trying to do mental gymnastics in an attempt to be offended.
Instead of gamers and miners fighting each other, shouldn't we try to understand who is getting the big dollars in this story? Retailers or OEMs?
Pretty sure the retailers are the real to blame taking advantage of the demand. But no Revolution will happen on Facebook...
When entitlement and social justice warrior collides. Complaining to somebody checking you out is going to do exactly jack ****. There is absolutely nothing. A cashier can do about it. Yes, price gouging is really crappy behavior. But that store has every right to set that price to whatever they dang well want. It's you who have the choice to either suck it up and pay the price, or not. Welcome to being an adult. I spent just a little north of $2,000 on a 3090 FE. Did I think it sucked, of course. But I didn't complain about the price to the person selling it. As they're the seller, I'm the buyer.
People get way too offended, way too easily. I'm nearly 100% sure this lady was just saying, in general, that they're unaffordable. Do you really think this salesperson cares or has time to think about how much money this person has in their bank account? It's something I have to remind myself the time, "STOP TAKING EVERYTHING PERSONSAL." lol
Long term PC gamer, but this ridiculous unaffordable trend us the reason I bought a next gen console.
I was lucky enough to get a 3080 from the EVGA queue after a 13 month wait. $200 over MSRP and I guess maybe $100-150 over AIB prices since they are usually a little over MSRP. I'll consider that a good deal.
But otherwise, must be a slow news day, but I commented so I guess mission accomplished
In all honesty, gamers with shut up & take my money!!!111@@@ attitude are as much at fault as retail and cryptominers - if not more.
Professionals need beefy GPUs because - for them - time is money. Gamers don't explicitly need beefy GPUs, they can safely jump to midrange or even upper lowrange GPU at the cost of losing a bit of graphics fidelity, but their gaming experience won't be affected.
I can understand professionals paying ridiculous prices for high-end GPUs - for them, there is no alternative. Gamers, on the other hand, just forgotten what it is to be a customer, and became mindless consumers over the years.
It is reflected not only in scalper gpu prices, but also in dwindling quality of even AAA games - delivering buggy mess of a game on release has become the norm - and increasingly aggressive monetization tactics which go beyond ridiculous. Yet stupid sheeple happily eats it up, and begs for more!
Yes, blame the cashier for the prices. SMH
honestly you can make do with a gtx 1000 series, even older. same with amd. You gotta ask yourself if there really is a need to upgrade. Right now with nvidia geforce experience supporting image scaling and amds Fsr, you can now game comfortable with higher quality settings with higher fps.
Stopping scalpers is an unreachable pipe dream at this point. There is a multi million dollar industry in designing bots that bypass check out verifications for any retailer. Would be scalpers are paying upwards of 4 grand for temporary access to these bots which is a huge incentive for people to keep making them.
Graphics cards are particularly effected by this because of their high demand. They have many very lucrative uses. 3D graphic design, the ability to train very high power deep learning neural networks at high speeds, and yes mining crypto currency. Gaming is probably the most wasteful, and least important uses of these luxury cards, so expecting to pay MSRP for something like that is nothing but a pipe dream.
I got an RTX 30 card off Amazon last week, I also started looking for it, purchased it all in the last week. It was extremely easy to get. The catch is I paid the going rate for the card at about 1000 over MSRP. I could get them at MSRP if I invested in access to a 4000 dollar piece of software, but I only needed one so it would prove not to be cost effective.
This is the state of the market now, if you don't like it, well you're not gonna get a card. That's not likely to change for at least a couple years if not many more. My advice is that if you really want one of these, accept you're buying a luxury item and save up, and if you're smart, try to find a way to make something back on your investment. It's not hard, and is the reason these cards are so in demand because they in themselves are gold mines in the digital age.
1. MSRP founders price is a loss leader. No way AIBs can sell GPUs at that price. If those words are too big for your brain stop talking. 2. Bought 15 GPUs in 15 mo at non scalper prices from AMD. Com, BB, B&H, Zotac (although their prices are nuts now), and EVGA. 3. Everyone forgets that Trump allowed for the trade tariff to expire that effects GPUs, so all AIBs had to raise their prices by 25% for import tax. (See #1 that Nvidia is selling FE cards as a loss leader). 4. If you don't understand what I just said, stfu and buy an Xbox because you're probably too stupid to build a decent rig anyway. 5. So sick of crybaby gamers that dont understand supply and demand, trade tariffs and the global supply chain.
Quote from: davemolly on December 31, 2021, 10:31:05
There is a very simple solution. Simple supply and demand. It does not need to be the 'New normal' we just need to refuse to pay it.
Yes very simple. Just organise everyone to not by something to force the price down. But why stop at 50% off? If everyone waited a bit longer we could all buy it for 25% or 10 % wait long enough and everyone could get one for free.
where is the body of this article? it makes mention of a problem when buying a card at a store. But only makes a half a** reference about it then basically lets everyone know that today, like the last 3 years video cards are hard to come by and overpriced.
Another shitty article from notebookcheck what a NOT surprise ;D further proof the world ended in 2012 please write a good article for once
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Oi, you really thought coining a few simple terms will add credibility to your baseless claims? You're full of s*** - and a complete idiot if you actually believe what you wrote.
This article really has nothing interesting to read.
Retailers are raising prices because they can.
I know this because respectable companies are still selling cards at reasonable prices.
And to those who just want to inject politics into this Trump has nothing to do with GPU prices being as high as they are today. Especially, in taxation state European Union.
If anyone has a gripe with US policy Biden is President not Trump. He is running things to the ground. That won't help the US or trade policy.
Trump was trying to even things out before the virus. It was working. But he never got to finish unfortunately.
Now progressives took over and the market sucks again.
Remember these cheap prices we got used to were because of cheap labor around the world. Shall we feel good about that?
A lot of today's troubles are from pandemic issues. And scalper mentality from retailers & individuals.
You literally added politics in the article all by yourself. You are an absolute idiot just like the trump man you idolize. STOP IT!!! Get a vaccine maybe that will help get the dumb out of you. See... I too can make absolutely no sense just like yourself. 🙃🤐🤭
This will mostly blow over when the chip production catches up, but there's no guarantee that'll be before 2023.
Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
Retailers are raising prices because they can.
Yes, and they can because of an actual shortage.
Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
I know this because respectable companies are still selling cards at reasonable prices.
No, everyone has way inflated prices.
Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
And to those who just want to inject politics into this Trump has nothing to do with GPU prices being as high as they are today. Especially, in taxation state European Union.
If anyone has a gripe with US policy Biden is President not Trump. He is running things to the ground. That won't help the US or trade policy.
Trump was trying to even things out before the virus. It was working. But he never got to finish unfortunately.
Now progressives took over and the market sucks again.
Irrelevant/incorrect. Politics never had an influence on this specific problem.
Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
Remember these cheap prices we got used to were because of cheap labor around the world. Shall we feel good about that?
No, this is simply incorrect. Those people are still paid the same. The problem is that those creating the chips were asked to halt production, combined with people buying more hardware due to being indoors a whole lot, combined with shipping being difficult at the moment. They were asked to halt production because of an overlapping market misjudging their sales badly.
Quote from: @man_daddio on January 01, 2022, 03:32:27
A lot of today's troubles are from pandemic issues. And scalper mentality from retailers & individuals.
Mostly yes, but retailers generally aren't too bad. They're just working with what they have, which is much less than they wanted.
The reason I know some things about the chip-makers is because my family company deals with them. They're not even remotely close to catching up with the demand.
The problem is that lots of gamers pay whatever is asked for a GPU. If people had sense and just let the cards from the scalpers away and just continued to play with their old good 10xx and 20xx series (and AMD equivalents), then nvidia and scalpers would have a bad day. As they continue to buy, then prices go up.
GPU and CPU production was in fact not that affected, prices went up because the above reasons (mining + scalpers), now as worldwide chips production is a little low and demand (home office, more time at home makes people buy new devices or update PCs and consoles, mining +++++) is much much higher than before.
In fact energy + GPU increased needs are due around 20% because increased home office and 80% because mining. If you stopped mining on Asia, Europe and America you would have more gpu and CPUs than the demand for the next couple of years...
Quote from: 123 on December 31, 2021, 21:53:59
I can understand professionals paying ridiculous prices for high-end GPUs - for them, there is no alternative. Gamers, on the other hand, just forgotten what it is to be a customer, and became mindless consumers over the years.
It's a question of impulse control. So many people these days can't control themselves. They demand gratification, now! For a (competent) professional, it's just an economic calculation. Is the increased productivity going to offset the cost? It's no secret that the ability to postpone gratification is a big predictor of success in life. You might feel like you're gaining on a moment by moment basis but in the end, you'll end up worse off. It's about striking balance between enjoying life and building it.
The risk here is that the high prices might get cemented. That manufacturers might start targeting those higher price points. As it happened with phones, for example. Scalpers are just capitalizing on the fact that the products are under-priced - the real value (what people are willing to pay) is significantly higher than MSRP. If a manufacturer won't perform the correction, they will seize the opportunity.
The market is a huge voting machine. Every time someone pays the inflated price, they are voting in favour of it, saying that the price is right. The more sales, the stronger the vote. If there are enough idiots in the world, they will set the prices for everybody. That's how it works. The really sad and dangerous aspect is that choosing a politician is like buying a product. If people suck at buying products, they are going to suck at choosing their political representation. Both systems (free market and democracy) rely on the majority of people doing the right thing. But we are not really teaching people how to be good economic or political agents. Doing the right thing is often hard. Just as good sounding things are often not true. That's a fact of life. If the right things were easy, we'd all be living in a paradise. We all want to instinctively minimize cost (optimize). The only reason to pay more, figuratively speaking, is the belief that it will pay off. And there you have the postponed gratification - you sacrifice today to benefit tomorrow.
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Ridiculous prices, the MRRP for the 3080ti is £899 yet retailers are selling for double that... everyone is profiteering off gamers which ultimately are the ones losing out if they get one or not..
I'm still running a 970gtx could the prices for the 20xx series were Ridiculous and now the 30xx series was affordable for a week but retailers realised they could rip people off..
In all its pretty disgusting 😕
I mean, he's got a point. Even at MSRP the 3080 To and 3090 are far from *affordable*.
I've bought running cars that lasted me years for less than I paid for my scalped 3090 FTW3.
I got a FE for myself and an ftw3 for my girlfriend both at msrp. Everyone buying at the scalper price: you are the problem. Its only ever gonna get worse if you give in to them, the next launch will be abysmal because of this s***.
Finally managed to get a 3080 at retail through the EVGA online queue system. I have to say, I barely noticed a difference from my 1080 aside from a decent jump in framerate. It is definitely not worth spending double retail.
I got 3090 FE below msrp at BB. Right circumstances and almost perfect timing. No lines. Just being ahead of the game. Yall suckas who pay way over msrp lmfao for gaming only you're the problem. I feel for those who do need it for work and havent the freedom to wait out and search.
Don't forget that buying is much more difficult in quite a few countries than in the USA. I read about lotteries, queues etc. in the USA but such things do not exist or are very much worse in, e.g., Germany. Then there are smaller European countries or some countries in other continents in which prices are thrice ours.
For those who think it's easier in the US I am sorry to pop your bubble but unless you live near a MC it's incredibly difficult. Cards are being scalped for insane prices with 3060 and 3070 cards in the range of what the 3080 should have been and some 3070 prices approaching 3080ti territory. On top of that there are so many scammers and thieves out there to ruin your day. Combine that with the bots and just the massive demand for these parts from miners etc even websites that only allow 1 per customer sell out nearly instantly (I know people who have workarounds for the 1 per thing and will try to buy 5 or more cards at once). I monitored stock drops for a couple months before taking advantage of an opportunity that placed a full rig with a FHR card in my price range and decided to go with that. I have a friend in Canada who consistently posted pictures of his local electronics store having cards on the shelf (albeit pricey) they were there occasionally...I had to show him that at stores near me they don't even have a place on the shelf because they don't sell them in store.
Lastly the whole premise of the article that the clerk was suggesting something through their remark is stupid. I worked in a service industry where people would ask prices, and even for small things if it was overpriced I might mention that it was. Saying, "It's not affordable" in response to a price inquiry regarding these cards is completely accurate and worth a laugh. If the OP really got butthurt over that they need help...unclench bro.