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Lenovo ThinkPad P16s G2 AMD review: Power plus OLED inside this workstation laptop

Started by Redaktion, January 25, 2024, 17:45:13

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Redaktion

Powerful with a gleaming OLED display and an acceptable iGPU. Adding to this is a whole variety of extras, creating a workstation that's true to its name. The ThinkPad workstation's features continue with a robust case, stable keyboard, security functions and remote maintenance. However, the device can't escape all criticism.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-P16s-G2-AMD-review-Power-plus-OLED-inside-this-workstation-laptop.796559.0.html

NikoB

Well. We see in front of us a "professional" model, at a monstrous price for this hardware config.

What do we get at the beginning of 2024 for this money?

An outdated U series processor with slow RAM (the latency is simply monstrous), and also soldered, i.e. The lack of memory will be felt initially with a measly 32GB, and not at least 64GB for this price. Moreover, despite the low PL1, the laptop is noisy even under average load - 37 dB.

As usual in the "professional" model, greedy Lenovo installed a 25-year-old RJ45 network port - a shameful 1Gbps, despite the fact that 2.5Gbps is built into the SoC, but they could have installed a separate controller for 5-10Gbps for this price.

The 7040 series has 2 USB40 ports and 2 USB-C 10Gbps ports. But where is the second USB40 port on the right or in the back (which is much better and more versatile)? They don't exist because of Lenovo's greed.

The screen is disgustingly glossy, like all AMOLEDs, but the author couldn't even calibrate this craft to dE<2 (2.9!). Thus, the screen is not suitable even for semi-professional color work. The flickering completes the picture. I don't believe in 600Hz PWM for a simple reason - OLED panels with real such PWM burn out 2 times faster - if this is the case, expect screen burnout after 6-7k hours (which is much less than the expected duration of use of such series). And of course, the author deliberately did not check the native contrast, which 100% does not correspond to marketing declarations, and is most likely 50-100 times worse than stated in 1M:1+

The author himself tore the keyboard to smithereens. I don't even need to add anything, except maybe again about the moronic narrow Esc, F1...F2. In essence, there is nothing left of the old high-quality Thinkpad keyboard. Is everything done for whom? For lovers of touch screens? Are they able to type quickly on a desk? Let's bet it's not? This is not printing petty comments on Twitter. Here people have to WORK for hours!

Even the quality of the laptop's speakers was disgraceful.

I have a hard time understanding the target audience of this particular version of the model.

With IPS 4k (but again there are no 120/144Hz options and a response time of less than 7ms on G2G/B2W), it will probably find its admirers, but subject to the installation of 64GB and 4TB SSD for the same price. Or reducing the price by about 600-700 euros. Moreover, with a basic warranty of only 1 year, shameful for such a series...

Neenyah

Quote from: NikoB on January 25, 2024, 19:25:55💩💩💩

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Quote from: NikoB on January 25, 2024, 19:25:55Moreover, with a basic warranty of only 1 year, shameful for such a series...

https://imgur.com/VgTRGnH

Base Warranty 3-year, Courier or Carry-in
Included Upgrade CO2 Offset 0.5 ton, 1Y Premier Support from 3Y Depot Windchill bundles  (CPN)

Model from the review, 21K9000CGE: https://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P16s_Gen_2_AMD?M=21K9000CGE


Neenyah

Quote from: apple shill on January 25, 2024, 22:06:01another macbookair killer that could not kill air even in price
Ctrl+F for "air" gives three results in the whole article - repairs, Nvidia HairWorks Off, paired.

Although just having an easily replaceable SSD is enough to "kill" the Air but yeah, where did you see any "Air killer" is intriguing...



Poster

I really do not comprehend this P series anymore. It thought it is to be a mobile workstation line which one would expect better screen options and a very fast ethernet connection (1gb doesn't cut it for a workstation). Soldered ram!? Even for an 'S' model, this is unacceptable. Also I'm absolutely tired of manufacturers skimpy on usb4.0 ports on AMD products no matter the product bline - either not offering 2(where Intel counterparts have 2 thunderbolt ports) or even one port not offering ALL the features installed. Why is it always the hassle!?

edram

"Its integrated graphics chip achieves similar performance to the Nvidia RTX 2050."

Yeah, right... More like Nvidia 1050.

Neenyah

Quote from: Poster on January 26, 2024, 23:29:45Soldered ram!? Even for an 'S' model, this is unacceptable.
Blame AMD for that and for being uncompetitive with slower RAM which is in SO-DIMM modules and not in BGA packages (soldered); yes there are 6000-6400 SO-DIMMs but far more expensive and more unreliable than simply soldering. Intel has no such issues of soldered-only, as this same model with Intel CPU has soldered + one free slot, and they are on par in performance with AMD - with much slower RAM. That says enough.

OTOH if there was slower RAM installed here in widely-available slow(er) SO-DIMMs this CPU wouldn't be able to compete with Intel i3s and the iGPU would be slower than the Iris Xe; then people would obviously find that problematic despite being easy to upgrade their RAM. Seriously, blame AMD for needing the fastest possible RAM to match and barely beat Intel.

Quote from: edram on January 27, 2024, 17:35:11"Its integrated graphics chip achieves similar performance to the Nvidia RTX 2050."

Yeah, right... More like Nvidia 1050.
It's basically identical to the RTX 2050 and even faster in many benchmarks; here, one of the faster 2050s in the review.

  • 3DMark Fire Strike Score: 7524 points 780M vs 7230 points RTX 2050
  • The Witcher 1080p High: 47 fps 780M vs 46.7 fps RTX 2050

And so on...



NikoB

Quote from: Neenyah on January 27, 2024, 18:27:18and they are on par in performance with AMD
Again the troll makes competent people laugh - where did he find that the 7840HS was as slow in PL1 as 1370p? I am waiting..

Intel traditionally only has a faster memory controller, but is a complete loser in multi-threaded performance. Catastrophic.

Neenyah

Quote from: NikoB on January 27, 2024, 20:50:11Again the troll makes competent people laugh - where did he find that the 7840HS was as slow in PL1 as 1370p? I am waiting..
The 7840HS is not even available in the P16s G2 AMD, only R5 PRO 7540U and R7 PRO 7840U are, but I know that your fish brain is not aware that CPUs are not perma-locked at PL1. Why are you even comparing two totally different classes of CPUs, lol? Why not compare the 7840HS with something from its class, like the i7 13700H? Oh I know why, because the former is equal at worst, but oftentimes better.

But even the weaker 1370P (a CPU comparable with the R7 7840U) is standing pretty good against the class-higher 7840HS; better power efficiency, similar single core performance, fairly close in multi core, overall only 13% slower while being more efficient. Not bad for a smaller chip.

Neenyah

Quote from: NikoB on January 27, 2024, 20:50:11Again the troll makes competent people laugh
Btw, this is completely hilarious thing from you to say, a clownlord who can't even read how long is the warranty of the machine. You are only competent in being brainless, that's pretty obvious from all your spammed s*** across this forum.

dragonl4

Not really impressed by the 780M performance.
I will only be impressed if when an iGPU can beat an entry level GPU from last generation like the RX6600.

NikoB

Quote from: Neenyah on January 27, 2024, 21:47:28like the i7 13700H? Oh I know why, because the former is equal at worst, but oftentimes better.
notebookcheck.net/Beelink-SER7-mini-PC-review-Ryzen-7-7840HS-with-vapor-chamber-cooling.745786.0.html
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7840U PL1 35W - 2150+ / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace -11834 KRay/s

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www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T14s-G4-review-Business-laptop-is-better-with-AMD-Zen4.763581.0.html -
7840U PL1 24W - 1800+ / The lazy author violated the testing rules - there is no data from AIDA64 benchmarks, except memory speed.

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13700H PL1 40W -  2000 in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 6913 KRay/s


Hasta la vista baby's troll! =)

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