Quote from: zopi on May 17, 2023, 22:14:31If they release a new Framework 13 with new parts that are no longer compatible with the old ones, that would be the end of them. They would lose the first generations of customers and it would destroy the idea of the Framework notebook.
But here comes the question, how long do people expect the design to last? At one point they are going to want to push the improvements they made for the 16 to the 13. Either that or they will have to create other versions like 12 inch, 14 inch so that new updates can be added while filling in the need. But what about 10 years later? 20 years later? That is the real question, how many years are they guaranteeing support of same chassis design
I think it is more important to first generation buyers of any new model be it 13 or 16 to be clear how long they guarantee re-usability as a laptop. (Cause they are also playing with stuff like making old laptops into mini desktops and etc)
Well, the 16 they said they made some room for adjustments in the future, but the 13 is most likely going to hit a dead end eventually when more people simply want the new stuff
Quote from: zopi on May 17, 2023, 22:02:00And there are options to easily change the keyboard layout. In Example as a german developer I like to have a us layout keyboard for development and a german layout for other things.
Is there any Notebook with upgrade options for the keyboard?
Generally, what people do is just buy stickers and this way you can have 2 keyboards. Some do make swapping keyboards possible in a minute or so. Though you probably have to restart.
Generally when people are asking for different keyboards, they don't just mean languages. They mean completely different layouts, like for example full sized arrow keys or etc.
Quote from: NikoB on May 17, 2023, 09:04:33Screen - today only LG "IPS Black" panel with a native contrast ratio of 2000:1 can be considered a decent screen. Everything else is no longer interesting. And of course 4k@120Hz minimum with a response time of no more than 7ms on G2G/B2W.
Decent screen is up for debate, personally I don't need such fast refresh rates or etc. As long as it is 100% sRGB and at least 400nits, I'd take the screen that consumes the least power
QuoteModularity is meaningless, without at least 2-3 ports at the same time on each slot, but then they must be wider in size.
Not really, from what I read they could fit 2 on each slot just fine. The issue is if you want full features on each one. But there is enough space for 2 usb-c ports per slot
QuoteWell, let's not forget the key thing - with such a shameful speed of RAM (outdated DDR4), there can be no question of servicing 4 TB4 at the same time. Even the LPDDR5 7500 is unable to serve them simultaneously at 40Gb/s each, especially in parallel with the operation of the interposed video chip.
I think DDR4 makes sense on the Intel version, it makes it so you can reuse the ram if you have previous models. If you want most powerful, you'd opt for the AMD version anyways. And why in the world do you need to service 4 TB4s at same time on a 13 inch laptop?
QuoteToday, the x86 platform can be considered completely dead in terms of creating concepts for the future. It technically lagged behind Apple's solutions in terms of RAM speed by at least 5 times, and here it is 10 times.
The day Apple's like solution takes off is the day I stop buying laptops. Considering their laptop sales are falling speaks volume about their direction. End of the day most software is still written for x86 and them trying to run x86 apps on it results in many broken apps
RAM speed means little if little stuff make use of it to full potential, you get lots of diminishing returns. 2x ram speed gives you at best 10% improvement. The only time ram speed has some usefulness is if you are doing gpu work and your gpu doesn't have vram
QuoteThere is nothing to pay money for, except for very rare specific applications that are generally uninteresting to the mass consumer.
For the mass consumer, tablets with keyboards that cost half the price of laptops are more than plenty or the cheapest laptop you can find at best. I've been buying $300-400 laptops for others in the family and they work just as well as the most expensive Apple laptop for browsing the internet for a few minutes and opening up a document or spreadsheet.
Those buying laptops are all in the "very rare specific applications" category. We are all here precisely because we have specific needs
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